Emerging Voices - Disabled identity and comfort foods

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Sise 0:17
Hi, good Evan. Good afternoon. We're here in Emerging Voices. You are listening to Emerging Voices on SYN with Sise. Coming up on the show - we are talking about food, movies, and Emerging Voices. Coming up, our next song is Goodness of God by Cecilia Williams... You're listening to Emerging Voices.

Teo 0:50
You were just listening to Goodness of God by Cecilia Williams. My name is Teo, and we are here to talk about food, and you are listening, you're listening on SYN radio by Emerging Voices.

Imogen 1:12
And there's a whole bunch of [us]...

Teo 1:15
And please introduce yourselves.

Imogen 1:17
Hi, I'm Imogen.

Sise 1:18
Hi, I'm Sise.

Ryan 1:19
My name is Ryan.

Adam 1:21
And I am Adam.

Imogen 1:22
And we all love food. Yeah?

Adam 1:24
Hot take. It's a very controversial, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:26
I mean, it's an unusual thing, but we were, we were chatting in the break about comfort food a little bit. Sise, do you have any dishes that are for you, just like the comfort you want to sink into when you get home on a cold day? Anything from childhood? Anybody else got any particular I mean, everybody's got the comfort food of some description, right? We were talking about dumplings. I reckon they're pretty good comfort food

Ryan 1:51
food. Well, my favorite food is probably pizza. Well, that's

Speaker 1 1:55
a good comfort food. It's filling, it's hot, it's greasy, yeah?

Adam 1:59
But the question is, does pineapple belong on pizza?

Teo 2:06
The big debate, I would say, for me, not.

Ryan 2:10
I mean, don't mind us.

Imogen 2:12
I say, Don't Yuck someone else's Yum.

Teo 2:17
Yeah, I agree.

I would say some people love and so we all really don'tagree with you, man,

Imogen 2:23
Do you like it yourself?

Sise 2:24
Mm, I like pizza, but it's... not really my favourite food. Sorry, yeah, but yeah. Um, I'm from Africa, so I love my African food and...

Imogen 2:41
Any dish in particular?

Sise 2:43
Yeah, I love my mulawika. It's the okra. They call it okra. I love okra. It's like with, you can eat it in Nigeria. It's a chicken dish.

Speaker 1 2:57
Sorry, is a fermented flat bread, yep. So, yum.

Sise 3:01
So yeah, we didn't know a lot about African food.

Speaker 1 3:05
So just a little bit, there's a wonderful African restaurant just down the road from me. Oh, wow, that's good, yeah, so I've got go there many a time and enjoy sorted stews with enduro bread.

Sise 3:18
In general, Ethiopian food is beautiful. I love it. I love it, but, yeah, I love my country food as well.

Speaker 1 3:25
Do you have any favourite places to eat in Melbourne for Ethiopian food?

Sise 3:29
Yeah, oh, God, but there is one restaurant in Sunshine and my African food is like Sudanese food. We got a lot of restaurant in first grade, but I'll I love both of them, but my favorite one is my country well, which is, you know, Saturday and feel like you're home. So yeah.

Speaker 1 3:58
Food's got a really powerful way of transporting us, I think, doesn't it with the senses, you've got the smell and the taste and, yeah...

Adam 4:06
I mean, that's the thing - you can you can basically taste the food even before you've actually even tasted, which is, yeah, it's just funny how that works out.

Speaker 1 4:15
But all the olfactory sensors are powerful, yeah.

Adam 4:20
I think I, I don't know. I mean, I mean, so I've got the hotel in [?sad name], so probably, yeah, pizza probably out there. You can't really go wrong. I'm a bit, I'm a bit boring with my pizza choice. I go Margharita for a reason. Yeah. So, yeah, really good. Margharita pizza is just perfect for me. So yeah, for comfort foods, like

Sise 4:45
Everyone have their favourite food. So yeah, I think wouldn't matter. Yeah, yeah. What are yours?

Teo 4:53
For me? I would say, I would say, I like, oh gosh, I love, I love... eating souvlakis, yep, yep, good. Souv really good, yep.

(unknown speaker) 5:04
Do you have them with chips?

Teo 5:05
I have them with chips. I love them like chips in souvlakis, which is really good too.

Imogen 5:10
Yeah, get a bit of the crunch.

Teo 5:12
Yeah - fantastic.

Speaker 1 5:14
Yeah, that sounds pretty delicious. How about how about you?

Ryan 5:20
Well, my favorite foods are possibly are chips and sausages and pizza.

Speaker 1 5:27
Yeah, all solid, solid choices. I mean, I brought in to this, not into the studio, but in into, in earlier, some jam donuts from the [?Queen Dick] market, American donut fan, which for me is a lot of childhood nostalgia grew up eating them whenever we went to the market, German donuts, actually, so technically, some of my heritage coming through there. Yeah, well, I was signaled that somebody had something to say. And now back to it. That's all good, no, but I have to say, I think toasted cheese on top, like cheese on toast, toasted cheese sandwiches, yeah, are what I go to when I'm just wanting something so freaking hot, hot, greasy and comforting.

Adam 6:18
Yeah, I should clarify, though, if we do have any employees listening here, yes, we did not eat the donuts in the studio.

Speaker 1 6:29
Very strict, no food or drink policy. It was safe distance, and we all washed our hands. They are delicious, but my God, are they messy? You've got you've got sugar all over, if the jam leaks out and it gets all sticky, yep, no, it's definitely a messy comfort food. But some of the best comfort foods are Yeah.

Adam 6:47
And I mean, to be fair, just the potato in general can almost be a comfort food itself. Different variations of a potato, I feel like it's one of the most versatile foods that out there.

Speaker 1 7:02
Like, do frosty, you can do some scallops.

Teo 7:07
And sweet potato. Sweet potato,

Speaker 1 7:12
it's a really versatile vegetable too. I think pretty much anything you can do with potato, you can do with sweet potato, it's a little less starchy. So that does change. It changes the possibilities a bit. Yeah, what about cooking? Do we like making our own cup of food? Do we like buying it in? Do we like...?

Teo 7:29
Yeah, I love... I cooked some sausages last night. Lovely. And what sort of cost? It was just some regular beef sausages. It wasn't that, like, special. I did something really silly. I accidentally looked at my phone, which, which I shouldn't be doing while cooking the potato. The, what is it the mashed potatoes or something, and potatoes went all runny on the plate. I just like, and I just had, like, running potatoes with my sausage. Just like, that is disappointing. And now just like, well, that's a failure.

Speaker 1 8:06
All right, we've got a song coming up, I think. What are we playing next?

Teo 8:10
We are playing Denied Deliverance by the band Vanishing Point.

Adam 8:16
And that was Denied Deliverance - Vanishing Point. And up next we're going to the movies. Well, to be honest, we're just staying in the studio, but literally, we're talking about movies. So for starters, I'd like to go around and ask, what is everyone's favourite movie, and why is why is it that? Teo, for starters.

Teo 8:41
I would say my favourite movie that changed me was seeing the Princess Bride.

Imogen 8:48
Oh, that's a fantastic film.

Adam 8:50
Can we just get that? Get that again for a second.

Teo 8:56
My favourite movie that changed me was seeing the Princess Bride.

Speaker 1 8:59
Yep, yep. And when did you see that? Did you see that as a kid?

Teo 9:03
I seen that. I seen that as a kid, when I was sick. I was so sick. Yes, I actually sick. I was like, Well, I'm absolutely sick. So I decided to I was, yeah, it was fantastic watching the movie, fantastic. Yep.

Speaker 1 9:21
It's a bit of a comfort watch as well. I think we're on a... bit of a topic of comfort at the moment. Like that for me is definitely something that I like to go back and watch when I'm feeling a bit under the weather. It's funny, it's adventurous, it's silly, it's over the top.

Teo 9:40
It's fantastic. I love it.

Imogen 9:44
And what about you?

Adam 9:47
Me? Yeah, yeah, I've made, I've... touched on it before in a previous episode. Wait, what I say, previous episode? It's the next episode.

Speaker 1 9:59
Come out? Yeah. Yeah, record everything in sequence.

Adam 10:03
But yeah, Red Dog is a movie that I love, like just, just the narrative of the of the story. And yeah, obviously it's kind of Australia in a movie as such. You know, you got the great Australian Outback story of mateship and... all the best parts of the country as well.

Speaker 1 10:28
So you haven't seen this? Would you mind giving me a cc? Do you like it as well?

Sise 10:33
Mm, to be honest, I didn't. I didn't watch it, yeah, but I saw it in art, and it's about farms, is it?

Adam 10:44
Yeah, so it's about a Kelpie dog, yeah, that is a town dog of the Pilbara region, okay, of a mining community, Pilbara region. And it's, he doesn't find his true owner, like there's no one owner of of the dog, but, but then this American comes across for work on the mines and and this dog finally finds its true owner, that this American guy that's come across that just bond, bond instantly.

Imogen 11:24
So it's a bit of a coming of age for a dog.

Adam 11:26
Yeah, but then, but the other, the owner dies. So like, yeah...

Speaker 1 11:31
What a bit about movies with dogs always being really freaking sad? Yes, I feel like that's a thing with dog-related...

Adam 11:32
Yes, and it would also, you know, there's this movie, this website, Does the Dog Die also?

Speaker 1 11:48
It's really contested. Not clear, no.

Adam 11:51
I mean, there's this website online, but you can check any movie. Oh, so you're pre-warned, you can check it any any movie online, it does, Does the Dog Die?

Imogen 12:06
I love that.

Adam 12:09
Red Dog does not pass that test, unfortunately, but like spoils, even though it's a 12 year old film. But just in case you haven't watched Red Dog...

Speaker 1 12:23
Yep, you can be emotionally prepared to be devastated.

Adam 12:27
But no, I mean the story, storyline the whole time, as I say, it's about Australian mateship and and some beautiful scenery, beautiful scenery, as I say, Pilbara region, the red dust, everything about it.

Imogen 12:42
Oh, that sounds spectacular. And Ryan, what's your favorite movie? Well,

Ryan 12:50
Well, I've got, I've got a few favourite movies. My third time favourite is The Lion King, because it is just so much, it just has so much emotion in it. I'm talking about the 1994, the original version of it. It was just so good. My second one is the Simpsons Movie, which is absolutely hilarious, sparking. Stop for the name of America. And my all time favourite one is Ready Player One - because it involves so many characters and virtual reality.

Imogen 13:44
Yeah, cool, cool. Yeah, I haven't heard of that one.

Teo 13:47
Oh, I've seen it. It's really good. Yes, you should see it. It's really good. I like it. It had, it has a lot of movie references that everyone knows. Okay, yeah, hey, what's going on out there?

(unknown speaker) 14:00
Just practicing my Mario Kart. I know. Practicing...

Imogen 14:06
Next question,.. hey, no, wait a second. I haven't talked about my favourite movie. I don't actually have a favourite movie- one of the, I think one of the standout films for me in the last five years, and I do watch a lot of films, was probably Get Out by Jordan Peele. I've seen most of his films. That's still my favourite. I think it was his first, I think that was his debut directorial film. And it was one of those things where his background was as a kind of a goofy comedian, and then he came out with this incredible thriller exploring so many things, including, like, you know, white supremacy and various aspects. 

And it just blew everybody, including me, out of the water for a while. I was just like, Hmm, let's have a movie night so we can watch this and show you know. It's fantastic. It is fantastic. It holds up to multiple watches.

Teo 15:04
Yeah, I've seen it, over and over again.

Speaker 1 15:08
I recommend, if anyone hasn't seen the Jordan Peele film, Get Out... or if you haven't seen any Jordan Peele, I recommend starting with Get Out. It is a... tense watch at times, but it's got a fantastic cast. And yep, now you can move on to the next topic.

Adam 15:23
Now we're onto, the next song is About You by G Flip. I actually picked this song because there's actually a connection for me with with SYN here. So I interviewed G Flip back in 2019 just after they released one of the album with this song, headlines and yeah, obviously got into that, such an amazing drummer, performer, all-around talent and yeah. Hope you enjoy.

Ryan 16:15
You just listened to About You by G Flip, and now we're going to talk about the social model of disability.

Imogen 16:23
Yeah, so I was chatting... like, so we're all disabled here in the studio, and we've chatted a bit over the weeks that we've been doing this show. And it came up that not all of us have actually come across the concept of the social model of disability, so I thought it would be good to have a little bit of a chat around the basics of it, and think, talk about what we think about it, basically. 

Now, for those who haven't heard of it, the social model of disability is a way of approaching disability, and it's in to an extent, a reaction to the more old school way of thinking of disability, which is known as the medical model. Now, the medical model posits that, basically, disability is based on like a deficit in the body. So we are disabled because we have physical limitations or we're unwell, and that that is what creates barriers for us, living our lives, engaging in the community. The social model looks more at the interaction between a condition or a physical difference that we have combined with physical attitudinal communication and social barriers. 

So what this really does is it looks at disability as being a socially constructed phenomenon. So we are not inherently limited by our bodies or our brains or our neural networking or our illnesses. We are limited by the fact that society is designed and constructed to be only be accessed by people with particular types of bodies that we would think of as being able, able bodies or like abled because, you know, disability is not just about physical limitations. Now, personally, I think that there is a lot that we can learn from the social model, and I think that it does a really good job of challenging what are still some really deeply held assumptions around disability, like it is still so much falls onto disabled individuals for us to try to make space in the world. 

And I think the social model does a really good job of flipping that responsibility and saying, Sure, it might fall to us, but the responsibility is actually with all of us and with us as a society to create a more accessible and inclusive space. There are limits to this model, I would definitely say, and I think that it is a starting point for a conversation, not the be all and end all, but I find any conversation with disability, it's a really good thing to include. How does everybody feel about it? Is this something that you've you've come across before, that you've heard of, but not really engaged with any, any thoughts, any reactions?

Adam 19:05
I mean, I've, I've heard, as you say, obviously, I've heard of both models and and a lot of companies do tend to use the the more original model, which medical model, medical model that has not, I would, would not say it's successful in practice, in in theory, maybe. But like, that's for the people that are providing the set, rather than the consumer, you know. So, like, the medical model is designed for one person, and that's not the one getting the services to, but the social model, I think that's the most important one that we should be working very strongly on implementing on a more more inclusive basis, throughout any high positions as. 

As you mentioned the other week, it's hard for people with disabilities to get anything more than lower entry level, entry level employment, employment, and that's due to most of these lower barriers and the screens to access...

Imogen 20:18
Barriers to advancement. Yeah...

Adam 20:19
Yeah. And all these companies working on that medical model that you say there.

Speaker 1 20:25
So I mean, there's a whole other... there's a complicated discussion aside there. When you look at like the ideal worker in corporate areas, it's generally a married man with a with a stay at home wife doing the bulk of the child care. So there are a lot of a lot of ways that the ideal worker model has to be deconstructed, doesn't it? Yes, including for more accessibility.

Adam 20:47
Yeah, but no, as I say, I think we're starting to pivot more towards the social one. But I don't, I don't, I don't think there's enough major companies, because it's mostly like, yeah, sorry. It's generally, generally like companies that are not for profit, or specifically already in the disability...

Speaker 1 20:47
Exactly. So if you're already in the space, you may be quite likely to have heard of it, but if you venture outside of the space, the disability space, you're much more likely to be met with blank stares of like, Huh? What's that exactly? Yeah, which, you know, it's not just about the knowledge of the social model itself. It's about the the attitudinal shift that is is required that we really want this to be happening across across the board, it can't just be a small fragment of disability focused spaces where these conversations are happening and these assumptions are being challenged, right? Yeah, of course, anybody else have any have any thoughts or reflections? 

I mean, disability identity can be a really complicated topic as well, like even whether someone identifies as being disabled if they like being called, if they if they like using person first language or identity first language. And by I mean that, I mean person first would be saying a person with disability and identity first language would be saying disabled person. And there are lots of really raging debates people can have on those topics. It's a very hot button topic in the disability community, yeah, for sure. And ironically, actually, I think sometimes abled people tend to be more invested in in that, in person, first language than a lot of disabled people, to be honest. But it's, it's still, is still used on both sides. Yeah, not that it's an us-and-them scenario.

Adam 22:46
Exactly. No, it's just a conversation that we need to somehow manage to get everyone in the room on so yeah...

Speaker 1 22:54
And the thing is that it matters to everybody. I mean, being disabled is one of the only marginalised identities that can happen to absolutely anybody. And if you're lucky enough to read the age reach the age of 80, the likelihood of your being disabled rises to about 90% Yeah. So it's more than likely going to affect everybody or someone very close to them at some point in their life. It matters to us all...

Adam 23:20
For sure,.

Imogen 23:22
And moving on to a slightly lighter note...

Ryan 23:27
Yeah. So now it's time to feel that jungle rhythm, because it is the Jungle Rhythm from from Disney's The Jungle Book 2.

Speaker 1 23:35
Hi, there. You just listened to Jungle Rhythm from The Jungle Book 2. Oh my gosh. I love the music from The Jungle Book. I haven't seen The Jungle Book 2, but that sounded pretty good. I might have to... watch it now. You are listening to Emerging Voices, and we as a group have been working together for what has it been? Six weeks now, eight weeks, eight weeks, we've been making podcasts. This is actually our first live broadcast show, isn't it? Yep, it is.

Speaker 1 23:49
Yeah, and it's been good so far. Yes, it really has actually been fantastic, working to... with everybody involved.

Adam 24:13
We may have had some, you know, slight technical areas...

Ryan 24:17
Trying to work out everything. But like,

Teo 24:24
Yeah, everyone was trying to find their footing. Which is natural, yes, which is like, I mean, with anything, everyone's like, just trying to find their voice, trying to get like, yeah, there's gonna be a couple studies. It just, but then once you find your voice, you should be good to go with everything. Yeah, it's a practice. Thing is a practice? Sure, yeah.

Adam 24:44
Yep. You could say it's, you know, it's about finding your Emerging Voice.

(unknown speaker) 24:49
Ah, nice!

Speaker 1 24:51
It's almost like the people who named this had an idea of what might happen. Yes, I...

Adam 25:00
'Course it is, yeah... but no, in all seriousness, obviously. Shout out to Eliza Howell and the Attitude Foundation for giving the people the opportunity here for people with disabilities...

Speaker 1 25:12
Which obviously isn't represented... that are under-represented under all forms of media and in public life.

Speaker 1 25:21
So there are barriers to us accessing these opportunities in general, because...

Speaker 1 25:26
I mean, there are a lot of barriers that, you know, volunteering in community radio, I think can be fantastic, but my understanding is there's often, you know, a lot of initial volunteering that you're expected to do behind the scenes in sort of admin areas, before jumping on the air. So it's... really amazing for those of us, like, for me personally, getting here every week is a bit of a bit of a stretch. So I wouldn't be able to manage much more of that. And to be able to just jump right into podcasting and broadcasting has been a wonderful opportunity that wouldn't otherwise be accessible.

Adam 26:00
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've already done a lot of volunteering with SYN in the past, but at the same time, I think I've been given some great opportunities here. And we had someone from...

and she had come in the other week talking about another company thathas some opportunities available as well.

So we've got a pathway beyond this, this program, but I would like to...

Imogen 26:30
So you're not getting rid of us that easily. Yeah.

Adam 26:36
So we'd like to keep the majority of this group together, because I think we've built a really good rapport together... in a good relationship together as well.

Sise 26:44
Yeah, I just want to give thanks to Eliza for organising this amazing and caring for and caring about other people with a disability is like us. You know, this is amazing, and it's great opportunity, and we really appreciate it, and God bless you, and we see more like to take us to the more, except so we thank you for that, and we really appreciate it. And yeah, thank you so much, Eliza, for giving us this opportunity.

And yeah, that's really beautifully said, Sise, thank you.

Ryan 27:12
Yeah, and I would always, and I would also like to say thanks to SYN for granting me this opportunity. I've learned, I've learned so much more about podcasting and being able to get my voice out there on the radio. So thank you for everything you've you've done for me over these past few weeks, and I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 27:53
I'd like to thank the Academy making this possible.

Adam 27:57
I'd like to thank my parents, because I would not be here...

Teo 28:02
Yeah, I would, I agree. I would like to thank Eliza. She has done so much for everybody here today. Yeah.

Speaker 1 28:10
Thanks Nick, who's just humbly sitting in the back. Yeah, and Sammy as well. And I think it was Avani, the SYN staff, who have been basically training us on broadcasting, podcasting, how to front, announce, back, announce all the terms we didn't know we needed to know. Switch, the basics of switchboards, playing music and all of that. So yes, thank you for indulging us and listening to our reflections on the eight weeks of this great program, yeah, for sure, yeah. And was there, I think Teo, you had some some other thoughts to include. What did you get? Most of it?

Teo 28:51
No, I got most of it out. I just wanted to say thank you to everyone here, and also thank you everyone who we met. A whole bunch of friends. We learned. We learned a lot about each other as well while doing this.

Speaker 1 29:03
Yes, yeah. It's been a lovely experience working with each other, hasn't it? It's been a lot of fun. It's a lovely group of people.

Sise 29:11
Yeah, yeah. It's so amazing. You know, I'm a mother with two kids, so this is like opportunity for myself, so I'm gonna teach my kids, so we can do this practice and we take this to next level in the future. Oh, I love it.

Imogen 29:30
You can teach your kids how to interview each other.

Adam 29:36
That's the thing. Like everyone in this room and... throughout the program for the week have been all at different stages in their life, different races of life, different ages, old people. And we've also got different abilities as well, and different experience. And we've all been able to learn from age. Each other from from all these different backgrounds, and improve each other, I'd say. So yeah, I'm... glad to have worked with all of you. And yeah, but yeah,

Speaker 1 30:11
Well said, well said, Now there were some extra topics we were going back to, weren't there - because we have some time. We have some time to chat.

Adam 30:18
We do have some time. So, so so we'll go back for starters to we were talking about at the movies in segment two. I think it was, yeah, so, but the questions we didn't get to is, for starters, if you were to live in a film world, well, which one would it be, and why?

Speaker 1 30:44
Oh, I have an answer to this. Okay, I don't actually want to live in this world, but it's just what popped to mine. There is a French film called I Am Not an Easy Man - "Facile", which is the premise is that there's sort of a misogynistic man who's out like living in his life, having a great time. He hits his head, and he wakes up in a world that he gradually discovers there are just like little subtle differences. He doesn't quite know what's going on. Then he realises he's woken up in a world where women occupy the level of privilege and dominance that men currently do in our world. 

So you've got to, I don't want to call it a matriarchy exactly, because there are different connotations. It's more like just a version of the patriarchy where women are on top. Women are the patriarch. You know, giving birth is seen as like a hardcore thing you're doing, gripping chains, and men are seen as the the soft, nurturing types who want to be taken seriously, and it's just, it's really well done. It's a comedy, and it, what I really love about it is it challenges you in really little ways that you don't think about. 

From him going to his closet, and instead of it just being a couple of standard like track pants and simple things, he suddenly got this closet full of all of these clothes. And the simplest thing that he can grab when he's just trying to wear some bloody truck he's sorry, some some track pants. He finds a pair. And you think, Okay, finally, he found some just comfy clothes he can walk around with. And then you see him walking away, and it's got Juicy on the backside, like all of these ways that that patriarchy and gender affects our lives that we don't necessarily think.

And when he wakes up his his friend, instead of just being like, walking around and, you know, playing. T shirt, he's got, like, this pattern scarf around him. The street sign says Mere, which means mother, instead of Pere [?shares], which is the name of the famous cemetery in... Pere means father. Sorry, it's bit of a language implied here, but you know, you see the rubbish collectors are suddenly women, not men, like all of these really subtle layers to it, which is just beautifully done.

Adam 32:50
Yeah, that sounds like a great place to be, great for men.

Speaker 1 32:56
Yeah, the film is not perfect in a few ways. French can be a bit yeah, there are definitely imperfections to the film, but it's a great thought exercise, yeah, thought experiment, I think to engage with you, yeah.

Adam 33:09
Ryan, do you have... ?

Ryan 33:10
Well, well, I've got, I've got around two, two of them, actually, yeah, or one of them, I would like to, like travel to the Pokemon world and travel and travel the world with Ash, because, as you all know, he is my favourite Pokemon character throughout the years for, actually, for 25 years it's been going on.

Speaker 1 33:31
So would you be a Pokemon or would you be a Pokemon master, or just someone else?

Ryan 33:34
Well, I would just be myself as Ash has Ash's newfound friend companions. Ash, yeah, yeah. And there's long and his long list of companions throughout the years, yes, and yeah.

Speaker 1 33:53
Like, Doctor Who. Right now I haven't watched Pokemon in about 25 years. Background!

Ryan 34:01
Yeah, also, and the other one, and this is from a bit better from my childhood days. I would, I would also like to, I would also like to go to Birdwell Island and ... hang out with Emily, Elizabeth, Clifford and all and all of their friends, because I always felt, I always felt more like, more like myself in Birdwell Island and in the Pokemon world. So those two, those two are the other ones that I would, I would love to go to.

Adam 34:36
Very interesting for sure. Yeah. Teo, have you... thought of this question at all?

Teo 34:43
No, I was thinking it's like, okay. In my eyes, I was like, okay, which worlds would I NOT want to go to instead of which ones I could, because I couldn't think of worlds that I would like to go to.

Speaker 1 34:55
Well, I have one - I don't want to go to Jurassic Park. I...

Teo 35:02
Did anyone see the Maze Runner? I absolutely do not want to see that.

Speaker 1 35:07
I don't want to go to any world if it's got a horror movie happening in it.

Teo 35:14
I personally, actually, you know what? If I had the world, I would probably go to the Squid Game. And I would love to be in the death game than just, yeah, I've got nothing.

Ryan 35:26
Maybe if I Squidward to me, I'm like...

Speaker 1 35:32
Well, I haven't seen squid game, but it's...

Speaker 2 35:38
Maybe if I Squidward from Spongebob, it's...

Teo 35:43
I wouldn't recommend it if anyone want to watch it. Yeah, right ahead. But I wondered...

Adam 35:48
I also would particularly be OK to go, would be... Willie Wonka's Chocolate Factory as well.

Speaker 1 35:54
Like, okay, which iteration are we saying? The original Wilder, the original Gene, the Tim Burton, or the more recent one?

Adam 35:56
I haven't actually even seen the [?shell main] one, but like that, the original one, I'm preferring the original is the, I guess...

Speaker 1 36:09
I remember seeing a meme somewhere. There was something along the lines of, the charm of the original one is that with Gene Wilder as Wonka, you really don't know if the children are going to come out alive.

(unknown speaker) 36:21
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Imogen 36:25
Like, what type of eccentric is he?

Teo 36:28
Yeah, I love his performance. I love Gene Wilder performance, where it's like, okay, he's really kind, but it's also kind of cynical as well.

Speaker 1 36:36
Oh, I think that's the heart of his character. Yeah, yeah. He's, he's given up on the world and hope and and interest. Yeah, yeah. And I think that that is a really powerful just thing to see play out.

Adam 36:52
But we all know who this bad guy in this film was. It's obviously not Gene Wilder's character. It's Grandpa Joe.

(unknown speaker) 37:02
I agree.

Speaker 1 37:03
It's been many years since I've seen it. Tell me, fill me in.

Adam 37:07
Grandpa Joe spends about 40 something years lying in bed doing nothing. Okay?

Speaker 1 37:15
I spend a lot of time lying in bed doing nothing. So tread, careful.

Adam 37:21
Charlie then wins the ticket on its own, right? Yeah, but Grandpa Joe, without even asking, assumes that... Charlie is going to take him, and manages to miraculously get up and be able to go to the factory.

Speaker 1 37:43
So basically, the villain is someone who was chronically ill, I don't and managed to rally at a once-in-a-lifetime experience with their grandkid...

Teo 38:00
Actually kind of faked it.

(unknown speaker) 38:02
Oh, that's, that's more.

I know that's where you were getting at. But as a chronically, one day, they cannot do it five days in a row, or even necessarily two days in a row, let alone every single day. It is a very difficult thing to actually know somebody No, absolutely capability, yeah, so I get to be the killjoy here and say you're being able? Yeah?

No, I get where you're coming from, but I've got a different perspective given my experiences, which is why it's so important for us to talk about these things.

Adam 38:45
OK, let's move on to the other side. I realised halfway through I was going, Yeah, I probably should back out, but too far. Sorry.

Teo 39:07
Go in deep in a rabbit hole, you can't get out of there.

Speaker 1 39:11
That's all right. Now I just have stuck in my head. Well, me for this is every time we talk about anything to do with music, it just gets stuck in my head.

Adam 39:19
Yes, but is it the Hugh Grant version?

Imogen 39:24
I... the only one I've seen all the way through was the Gene Wilder version.

Ryan 39:27
And fell for the old pickup, yep. Oh, we are so apparent, yeah. So thanks for turning into this miraculous and funny... Oh, excuse me. Excuse me. A minute, everyone. Scratch that. No,

Imogen 39:48
That's all good. I am happy to throw over to you in a second, Ryan, but I am going to introduce the next song because it's one of my favourites. We are going to listen to Someday We'll Linger in the Sun, by Galen Leah, who is a...wonderful artist. She's a violinist, singer, songwriter and incredible disability advocate. And yes, as you were saying, Ryan, yes.

Ryan 40:13
yes, thank you. So yeah, we're gonna go straight into the song, and we'll be right back.

Imogen 40:19
That was Galen Leah.

RJ 40:22
Yeah, so... we're gonna go, so we're gonna sign off everyone. So thank you for joining us on this miraculous show. And yes, yeah, and it's, well, it's goodbye from Adam.

Adam 40:36
So long, farewell...

Ryan 40:42
Goodbye.

Teo 40:42
Goodbye, everyone. Imogen?

Imogen 40:43
Farewell... Sise?

Sise 40:48
Goodbye and thank you for listening to us. I hope you guys enjoyed.

Speaker 2 40:52
and yours truly, Ryan - and so we're gonna finish. And this is our farewell song to you. It is It's Over, isn't it, from Steven...

Imogen 41:04
it's from Steven Universe, but sung by Didi Magno was it>

Teo 41:09
Didi Magno Hall,

Ryan 41:12
thank thank you for that.

Imogen 41:14
You guys got a couple of Steven Universe fans in the thing. So It's Over, isn't it? Why can't I move on? You enjoy these dogs. I was fine...